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Hello @the_bumble_bard!
Quote: “Why did you choose to modify the beat?”
I don’t quite understand your question and I think we are talking about different things.You are talking about Anna Kendrick and her song.
Yes, I saw this song about two years ago and I liked it, but I haven’t thought about this song at all lately.
I haven’t seen the TV series “Friends”. I liked what Ashley did, but I was wondering what the original version of the song sounded like. When I was looking for the original, YouTube offered me a cover version of “Eastern Duo”. I liked their idea too.
And now let’s get back to your question: “Why did you choose to modify the beat?”.
We have two different songs, with different melodies, with different chords and (oh miracle) with two different percussion parts. I didn’t change Anna’s part, I’ve never played it (yet)…Or did you notice that what I did doesn’t look like the “Eastern Duo” version? I didn’t have to copy 100%. I borrowed the idea.
As I said before, Anna´s “cup beat” can be used in «I´ll be there for you». If someone already knows Anna’s «cup beat», they can play it!
This is not an isolated case when one part of a song can be replaced by another. Maybe you know Bon Jovi and his song Livin’ On A Prayer? This song was popular in the late 80s.
And in Europe at that time Modern Talking were popular with the song You’re My Heart, You’re My Soul.
These two songs were constantly playing on the radio. And despite the fact that the songs are different, in some heads they successfully merged into one, so that a hybrid of “Modern Jovi” was created.
This time it has nothing to do with cup beat.
While the piece (Duetto buffo di due gatti) is typically attributed to Gioachino Rossini, it was not actually written by him, but is instead a compilation written in 1825 that draws principally on his 1816 opera Otello.
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@katazumiri, sorry for a delayed reply, this week and last week has been unexpectedly crazy out of nowhere. Normally I’m not this busy during the week. That all gets saved up for the weekend as far as “more involved” social activities usually, like parties. Nope, not this time. 😅😂
Thank you for the interesting explanation and the illustrations! Well, the examples. I have never heard that version of Anna’s Cup Song. Really like that! And I also hadn’t heard Eastern Duo’s version. I thought you fully made up that connection, but your take is obviously still very different from that.
So, we may have to reference back to the side by side you shared in the thread of the two beats. It looked like you changed the sixteenth notes to eighth notes maybe in the first measure? I also want to share my version of the cup beat because while it’s the same sounding rhythm, the way Anna and Eastern Duo does it is different. I think I also might need to go back to your version and listen again to hear the beat you chose again. Sorry, rhythm and theory is not my strong suit with music. I’m very easily confused by it. 😅😂
Hahaha!! Oh my yes, I have heard that cat song before. I love that so much. It’s actually genuinely beautiful but also hilarious. 😅
I think on Friday I’ll have time for a less rushed reply and reading what you share next if you get to. So looking forward to that. 😅😂
@the_bumble_bard I don’t always manage to answer quickly, but music is not a product that spoils quickly.
So let’s continue the conversation.You correctly noted that Anna has sixteenth notes, while “Eastern Duo” does not.
In my video, I used the white cup part from “Eastern Duo”.As for the green cups… In the intro, the white and green cups play the same thing. But in the verse and chorus, the situation changes. At first, I assumed that this is a canon with a delay of one measure (this is very common in sheet music).
White-cup_-green-cup_assumption But my assumption was wrong. In fact, this is a canon with a delay of one quarter.
White-cup_-green-cup I’m waiting for your version of the cup beat.
Have a nice weekend! 🙂@katazumiri, ha, that’s true. There’s no rush with these things. I like these kind of more in depth conversations about music, a lot. So thank you for that! 😊
I didn’t realize the different cups in Eastern Duo’s video were playing different beats. That’s an interesting approach. I’m now realizing that my version of the cup beat that I learned as a kid is definitely more like Anna’s; though maybe not exactly the same hand motions, I think it’s the exact same rhythm. Side note, that game has since blown up out of control at my family gatherings. 😅 My niece and nephew are obsessed with it now which is pretty magical. Now we all play it pretty often, so thank you for bringing that up. 😂😅
So, with your version, it still seems like you’re doing different beats with the three-split screen. At least one of them seems different. I’m so sorry if I’m not understanding. Did you have three layers of the same thing just to increase the sound of the cup beat?
I’ll try to record me doing my cup beat later today when I’m filming some other musics. Thank you for this great conversation! 😊💕
@katazumiri, slight delay in filming this, but I finally got to film my version of the “cup beat.” Hopefully it’s clear enough what I’m doing. I maybe should’ve slowed it down a bit to illustrate. I think it’s pretty clear, though.
Okay, here ’tis:
Sorry about T.S. Eliot’s face (the book I did the cup beat on). I hope I don’t get haunted now, LOL. 😉
@the_bumble_bard Yes, you have a cup beat like Anna’s. I’m glad your nephews liked it too 🙂
Quote:” …with your version, it still seems like you’re doing different beats with the three-split screen. At least one of them seems different.”
In my video, I used the same (the only one I had) recording of the cup. It’s just that the middle cup was inserted “one measure late” in the video editor. So, as I said, I got a “simple canon”.I think you’ve heard musical canons before, but most likely you haven’t paid attention. Some children’s songs can be sung as a canon. The most famous of them are “Row, row, row the boat” and “Frere Jacques”. You don’t need to know music theory to sing these children’s songs 🙂
I liked this explanation of the musical canon:
From a music theory point of view, “Row, row, row the boat” is four-voice canon with a „2-measure delay“
I also liked that in this video the musical canon is compared to sudoku. Some canons are really difficult.@katazumiri, yes, they loved it! Like I said there’s a game that goes with that where you pass the cup in a circle using that beat and it keeps getting faster and whoever messes up is out. My sister and I are lightning fast and pros at it so we were pretty much always the last two standing, but the kids loved it. 😅😂
That video was fascinating! I loved that so much, especially how that concept applies to Bach, Pachabel, and Mozart (that song at the end was so beautiful). That’s really interesting though, I didn’t know that was a thing, but now I’m definitely going to pay more attention with that! I immediately want to experiment with that on the uke now too. 😂 Besides the cup beat (which now I understand, thank you, and how the concept of a canon applies), have you ever created something using that concept?
Thank you again for explaining that and sharing that video! So useful. 😊
@the_bumble_bard It’s a very brave decision that you want to play canon on the ukulele.
That said, if you use the video editor it might be relatively easy.
But if you try to play at least two voices on a single ukulele by yourself it becomes quite challenging. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it is challenging. 😅Have I ever created anything with this (canon) concept?
I am more of a superficial theorist than a practitioner. 🙂
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